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![[Post New]](/intradeForum/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) September 03, 2008 06:30:57 UTC
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It's fascinating to watch the MainStreamMedia tiptoe over this birth certificate issue.
Lawsuit over McCain citizenship should be tossed, GOP lawyers say
By Josh Richman Oakland Tribune
Article Launched: 08/28/2008 06:19:23 PM PDT
http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_10328907?nclick_check=1
Lawyers for John McCain and the state and national Republican Party on Thursday asked a federal judge in San Francisco to dismiss a lawsuit challenging the candidate's place on California's Nov. 4 ballot.
Markham Robinson of Vacaville, chairman-elect of California's American Independent Party, sued McCain, the GOP and California Secretary of State Debra Bowen on Aug. 11, arguing the presidential candidate's birth 72 years ago today in the Panama Canal Zone means he's not a "natural-born citizen" — a Constitutional requirement to be president.
But lawyers for the GOP and McCain wrote Thursday that Robinson lacks standing to sue and is asking the courts to tread where the Constitution forbids.
Robinson hasn't shown McCain's candidacy causes him any harm, they said: He's neither a presidential candidate himself nor authorized to sue on behalf of his party or party nominee Alan Keyes, and stripping McCain from the ballot won't much improve the party's or Keyes' chances of winning.
If McCain were tossed, the GOP presumably would put up someone else in his place, they wrote. And even without a Republican in the race, they added, "Ambassador Keyes still would have to defeat Senator Obama in the state's general election."
Keyes ran against Obama for a U.S. Senate seat in Illinois in 2004 after Republicans drafted Keyes as a last-minute replacement for their initial nominee, Jack Ryan, who withdrew amid a sex scandal. Obama won the election with 70 percent of the vote to Keyes' 27 percent.
If that race is any guide, the GOP's lawyers dryly noted Thursday, Keyes' probability of beating Obama for president in California "seems, at best, speculative."
Anyhow, they argued, the Constitution says issues of presidential eligibility are to be decided by voters and the Electoral College and not the courts — a matter of separation of powers among the government's branches. And federal courts lack jurisdiction and cause to direct Bowen to exceed her statutory powers by questioning a party nominee's eligibility.
Robinson must file an opposing brief by Sept. 4, and U.S. District Judge William Alsup will consider the case Sept. 11.
The lawyers' brief doesn't discuss McCain's citizenship status. Federal law says anyone born in the Panama Canal Zone after Feb. 26, 1904, as a child of U.S. citizens is declared to be a U.S. citizen himself or herself. Some have questioned, however, whether this makes McCain a "natural-born citizen," a term the Constitution doesn't define any further; the federal law took effect about one year after McCain's birth, and doesn't say the person's citizenship was considered to have been acquired at birth.
McCain supporters have pointed to a 1790 law that provided that children of U.S. citizens born abroad "shall be considered as natural born citizens." Though no longer in effect, that law indicates what the founding fathers were thinking when the Constitution was drafted, those supporters contend.
The American Independents, a conservative party recently plagued by factional infighting, had 331,619 members as of May 19, comprising just over 2 percent of the state's registered voters. But there's anecdotal evidence that some voters join the party by mistake, believing they're registering as nonpartisan or "decline-to-state" voters.
Reach Josh Richman at 510-208-6428 or jrichman@bayareanewsgroup.com.
McCain Campaign: News Media Demanding DNA Testing of Palin Family
Tuesday, September 2, 2008 | Kristinn
McCain presidential campaign strategist Steve Schmidt went on the record with the Washington Post's Howard Kurtz today, revealing the depths to which the mainstream media has sunk in their efforts to destroy the family of Republican vice presidential pick Alaska Governor Sarah Palin.
Schmidt said that the campaign has been deluged with demands from reporters that the Palin family submit to DNA testing to assuage baseless rumors promulgated by the Democratic party's favorite website, the Daily Kos.
Schmidt accused the media of being "on a mission to destroy" Sarah Palin.
Kurtz writes that Markos Moulitsas, the founder of the Daily Kos, believes the made up allegations against Palin and her daughter are legitimate. Kurtz fails to note that Moulitsas writes for the Post's sister publication, Newsweek.
Schmidt also said reporters are demanding to see the birth certificate for Palin's newborn.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/02/AR2008090203144
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![[Post New]](/intradeForum/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) September 03, 2008 23:10:37 UTC
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Sung to the tune of “Oh! Susanna, don’t you cry for me.”
“Oh, no Bama, please don’t lie to me... for I’m off to Free Republic with a laptop on my knee.”
I come from Minnesota with my laptop on my knee;
I’m goin’ to Free Republic my true love for to see.
It rained all night the day I left,
the weather it was dry;
The sun so hot I froze to death,
Obama don’t you lie.
Oh! No Bama, don’t you lie to me;
I come from Minnesota,
with my laptop on my knee.
I had a dream the other night,
When everything was still;
I thought I saw Obama dear,
A-coming down the hill.
The smearing lie was in Duluth,
The tear was in his eye,
Said I, I’m coming for the truth
Obama don’t you lie.
Oh! No Bama, don’t you lie to me;
I’m off to Free Republic,
with my laptop on my knee.
I fight in my pajamas,
It’s plain for all to see.
I aim to be the next Buckhead;
The media all hate me.
I fell in love with Sarah
When my sister bit a moose.
The Guvnor’s family ate it up
And then they set it loose.
Oh! No Bama, don’t you lie to me;
I’m off to Free Republic,
with my laptop on my knee.
She loves her sons, she likes her guns,
and Trigonometry.
The media will jump the shark
When Juan makes history.
Well, JimRob knows she’ll pave the trolls
So controversially,
And Berg will knock Obama down
With friends of Hillary.
Oh! No Bama, don’t you lie to me;
I’m off to Free Republic with a laptop on my knee.
I soon will be in Hawaii,
And then I’ll look all ‘round,
And when I find his birth record,
I’ll fall upon the ground.
But if I do not find it,
This Freeper’ll surely die,
And when I’m dead and buried,
Obama don’t you lie.
Oh! No Bama, don’t you cry for me;
I’m off to Free Republic with a laptop on my knee
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2073903/posts?page=6#6
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In the midst all the Palin excitement, a small matter to point out regarding the lawsuit. Looks like all cornflakes got pissed in today.
Obama and DNC served today concerning lawsuit questioning his qualifications to be President
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2075005/posts
Private Email | September 4, 2008 | Philip J. Berg
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2008 5:40:35 PM by BILL_C
I received the following email from a Philadelphia attorney who has filed a lawsuit against the Democratic National Committee and Senator Obama questioning his qualification to be President.
I asked Phil if I contributed to assure me none of the moneys collected would be used for political purposes.
http://www.obamacrimes.com/
Hi Bill,
No, none of the proceeds will be used to support any party. The proceeds donated will strictly be used for this litigation. Legal litigation is extremely expensive, especially when you require Expert testimony, which I am anticipating.
In addition, I just received confirmation that the DNC and Senator Obama were in fact served today, 09/04/2008. The DNC was served at noon and Senator Obama was served at 1:00 p.m. All Defendants have now been served so the case can proceed.
Thank you for your email. Please keep up the great job and continue spreading the word. Together we can make a difference.
Phil Philip J. Berg, Esquire obamacrimes.com
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In all the excitement surrounding Supernova Sarah Palin, I haven't been tending to the Obama Birth Certificate Forgery business all that much. So this time around on logging in, I'll bump this thread.
The latest news on Berg vs. Obama is that Polarik will be assisting them on the technical issues because their earlier expert, Techdude, was impersonating a guy named Fink and it looks like his analysis was tainted.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2075602/posts?page=58#58
Word from the Berg website is that TechDude's discredited work will be taken down and mine will go up in its place.
I'm not backing down, either.
58 posted on Friday, September 05, 2008 9:18:50 PM by Polarik ("The Greater Evil")
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BERG FILES MOTION FOR EXPEDITED DISCOVERY BY "SEPTEMBER 31"
America's Right ^ | 9/9/08 | Jeff Schreiber
http://www.americasright.com/
BERG FILES MOTION FOR EXPEDITED DISCOVERY, SEEKS DEPOSITION OF BARACK OBAMA AND HOWARD DEAN BY "SEPTEMBER 31"
Stay tuned here for the update, coming later tonight.
I pointed out, to Phillip Berg, that there are only 30 days in September.
"Well," he said, chuckling. "I guess I created an extra day in September like he created seven extra states in our country."
http://www.americasright.com/
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![[Post New]](/intradeForum/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) September 13, 2008 03:58:56 UTC
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“Let’s Do the Time Warp Again” (Polarik – Obama Birth Certificate)
“… if the photographer could bend Space-Time, or jump through a worm hole. OK, check this out. Please…read it slowly and carefully.” Polarik
Please go to link to see images:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2076097/posts
To: Polarik; et al
Here are the photos in question:
Acording to the Exif data embedded in these nine digital photos, all of them were allegedly taken on March 12, 2008 from 10:40:18 PM (PHOTO #1) to 10:47:02 PM (PHOTO #9).
Now. here comes the weird stuff.
Is the Exif data accurate? Were these photos actually taken on the 12th of March at 10:40PM in the order as numbered?
Yeah, if the photographer could bend Space-Time, or jump through a worm hole. OK, check this out. Please…read it slowly and carefully.
Although the images are sequentially named and numbered from birth_certificate_1.jpg to birth_certificate_9.jpg, there is absolutely no way that BC #8 was taken after BC #7 and before BC #9.
The Exif data “allegedly” indicates that BC #7, a shot of the signature stamp, date stamp, and 4/5th of the Seal on the reverse side, was taken only 15 seconds after BC #6, a shot, taken from the front side, of the lower half of the COLB, with the second fold prominently displayed, the slight bleed-though of the date stamp, and the entire Seal, with the lower fold cutting right through the top 1/5th of the Seal (which was curiously cut off in the photos of the reverse side)
BC #8, which shows a close up of the Seal, and also cutting off the same 1/5th of the Seal (as was done in BC #7), was supposedly taken one minute, 20 seconds after BC #7, but two minutes, 5 seconds before BC #9.
Here is BC #6:
Here is BC #7:
Here is BC #8:
Here is BC #9:
Now, the fun begins.
I created a two photo overlay. First I made BC #9 partially transparent and reduced it to be exactly 80 percent of its original size — a significant discovery. Then, I copied it and pasted it over BC #7. the last step was moving the date stamp of BC #9 over the date stamp of BC #7. They aligned perfectly. Another significant discovery.
Here’s the photo overlay before I covered one date stamp with the other:
As you can see above, the size and orientation of the date stamps are the same. Now, here’s the overlay with one date stamp aligned on top of the other:
Even though the camera was hand-held and probably not mounted on a tripod, the date stamps match exactly, but the signature stamps are not. The odds of being able to move the camera from its position in BC #7 to another position to take BC #8, and then moved once again to take BC #9, such that the date stamps on #7 & #9 align perfectly when the size of BC #9 is reduced 80 percent, are rather slim.
THe easiest explanation for the date stamp match is that BC #9 was photographed after BC #7 by first increasing the zoom lens to 120 percent of BC #7.
The other possibility is that the photographer just got off a lucky shot that was made without any artifial light on the COLB.
But, why take what amounted to a second shot, and in poor lighted conditions? If that is true, then the 10:40 pm time stamp is false. Also, why did it take over 4 minutes to shoot BC #9 after BC #7 if they were, indeed, shot separately?
27 posted on Saturday, September 06, 2008 5:05:22 PM by Polarik
To: pissant
I just wrote a scathing comment to the article.
32 posted on Monday, September 08, 2008 3:15:15 PM by Polarik
To: Polarik
Hi Polarik. Do you have any idea who the “third” expert is that Berg references in his lawsuit? I’m assuming (and I may be wrong, of course) that you are one, and TechDude is two, but I can’t figure out who the third person is. I’m trying to submit a comment to What’s Your Evidence on this set of allegations, but can’t find the references to identify the third person. (Who knows if it’ll get published, but gotta try!) Any ideas?
35 posted on Monday, September 08, 2008 4:55:17 PM by Sibre Fan
To: Sibre Fan
Hi Polarik. Do you have any idea who the “third” expert is that Berg references in his lawsuit? I’m assuming (and I may be wrong, of course) that you are one, and TechDude is two, but I can’t figure out who the third person is. I’m trying to submit a comment to What’s Your Evidence on this set of allegations, but can’t find the references to identify the third person. (Who knows if it’ll get published, but gotta try!) Any ideas?
Not TechDude anymore. I don’t know who the third one might be.
37 posted on Monday, September 08, 2008 8:16:34 PM by Polarik
To: Polarik
Why do you say “not TechDude anymore”? Berg’s complaint specifically cites to THREE experts, and includes the allegations that the posted Birth Certificate was issued to Maya Kasandra Soetoro, born in 1970. Isn’t that Techdude’s analysis? Do you disagree with that analysis?
43 posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 8:14:24 AM by Sibre Fan
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It looks like the bumps in the seal are getting light at a different angle which makes them look brighter.
I’ve tried to replicate it all sorts of ways using a 2008 COLB, and it cannot be done without either editing the image, or flattening down the inside of the Seal (not likely).
Here is their Seal image with only the outer ring illuminated:
Here is my best attempt to recreate that effect:
As you can see above, all of the embossed area on the Seal above the fold is illuminated.
HOWEVER
Go back and look at the background above the fold and compare it to the background below the fold. The bottom half of the COLB in this photo looks as if the fold through the middle caused at least a 20 degree angle between the area above and below the fold.
Look at the same photo under edge detection:
See the angle?
Photo #6 is a continuation of Photo #5, and should have been illuminated in the same way as Photo #5, but it’s not.
Here’s Photo #5 taken before it:
Now, how is it that just that outer rim of the Seal above the fold is lit in Photo #6 when it was taken simply by moving the camera further down???
44 posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 8:47:49 AM by Polarik
To: Sibre Fan
Why do you say “not TechDude anymore”? Berg’s complaint specifically cites to THREE experts, and includes the allegations that the posted Birth Certificate was issued to Maya Kasandra Soetoro, born in 1970. Isn’t that Techdude’s analysis? Do you disagree with that analysis?
I know that it’s hard to keep up with everything that has happened with this COLB business for the past three months, but a few weeks ago, I broke the news about how TechDude fabricated his evidence and pretty much lied about everything else. I knew it from the beginning, and all the time, I kept it to myself, as a favor to TexasDarling, who had done an “Exclusive” on his work just as Pam Geller had done, as well as Israel Insider, too. He suckered a lot of people an tarnished not only himself, but everyone else who trusted him.
It was not until Israel Insider gave him the boot that I came forward with the news.
What blew his cover was when he said that he “received some 2007 COLBs” and that they had the same border as the 2008 COLB. He figured that nobody would be the wiser.
Only problem was that I had a genuine 2007 COLB and its border did resemble the one on the Obama COLB (which did not affect any of my research conclusions as I had already conceded that the border from someone else’s 2007 COLB was copied onto the forgery.)
See for yourself:
45 posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:03:38 AM by Polarik
To: Polarik
Oops…wrong image.
Try this one:
and this one:
46 posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:34:05 AM by Polarik
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![[Post New]](/intradeForum/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) September 17, 2008 20:16:31 UTC
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Polarik's Final Report: Obama's 'Born' Conspiracy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2084512/posts?page=1
Part One
Overview
In the June 9, 2008 edition of National Review Online, writer Jim Geraghty posted the following story to his blog, the Campaign Spot:
Obama Could Debunk Some Rumors By Releasing His Birth Certificate.
Having done some Obama-rumor debunking that got praise from Daily Kos (a sign of the apocalypse, no doubt), perhaps the Obama campaign could return the favor and help debunk a bunch of others with a simple step: Could they release a copy of his birth certificate? Reporters have asked for it and been denied, and the state of Hawaii does not make such records public...There are several (unlikely) rumors circulating regarding Obama’s birth certificate.
Geraghty listed these rumors as (1) Obama was born in Kenya, (2) Obama's middle name is really "Muhammad" and (3) Obama's first name is really "Barry," as he was called when he was a child growing up in Indonesia. Geraghty concluded his article by saying that "If the concern of the Obama campaign is that the certificate includes...some other data that could be useful to identity thieves, that information could easily be blocked out and the rest released."
Three days later, as if on cue, the pro-Obama Daily Kos blog posted an image of what they claimed was a scanned copy of Barack Obama's "original birth certificate" sent to them by the Obama Campaign:
By the end of the day, the Obama Campaign posted a duplicate copy of that same image on their website, Fight The Smears, (FTS) although the size of their copy was reduced to about 42% of the Kos image:
What very few people know about this image is that it was taken down the very next day, replacing it with one half as big and poorer in quality (the original FTS image was 1024 x 1000 pixels, the replacement is 585 x 575 pixels). Did FTS take down the original because some people were finding anomalies in it? The entire FTS web site has only one purpose: to mislead the American public by labeling as "smears" all of the factual statements made about Obama. Posting a bogus birth certificate on their website fits their modus operandi.
Excerpt...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2084512/posts?page=1
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Wow - so Techdude made up his own evidence? This thing implodes to the point of creating a black hole.
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![[Post New]](/intradeForum/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) September 19, 2008 05:28:59 UTC
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Judge says McCain is a 'natural born citizen'
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AP ^ | 09/18/2008 | AP
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- A federal judge has thrown out a lawsuit seeking to remove John McCain from the California ballot because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone.
U.S. District Judge William Alsup ruled late Tuesday that the law at the time of McCain's birth automatically granted citizenship to offspring of U.S. citizens.
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The latest from Polarik
Fraud in the U.S.A.: FactCheck swaps high-res photos with crappy low-res ones!
FactCheck ^ | 09/20/2008 | Polarik
Posted on Saturday, September 20, 2008 9:19:30 AM by Polarik
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2086586/posts
That's right. They replaced all of their high-res, image files with lo-res image files that are 90% smaller than their originals.
BUT, they have the gall to leave their original file sizes listed on their links. So, like instead of getting a 2 MB image file, you now get a 200K image file.
In FactCheck's original story, posted, August 21, they made specific references to a few of my discoveries I made about the COLB forgery in an attempt to dismiss them out of hand:
Among the most frequent objections we saw on forums, blogs and e-mails are:
* No creases from folding are evident in the scanned version.
* In the zoomed-in view, there's a strange halo around the letters.
And, they devoted an entire paragraph to dissing my most important finding:
The scan released by the campaign shows halos around the black text, making it look (to some) as though the text might have been pasted on top of an image of security paper. But the document itself has no such halos, nor do the close-up photos we took of it. We conclude that the halo seen in the image produced by the campaign is a digital artifact from the scanning process.
As everyone who has read my report should know by now that the pixel anomalies, that they call "haloes," are absolutely not scanner artifacts.
Well, on Thursday, the first part of my report made the front page of PHil Berg's website, ObamaCrimes.com, with my promise to show how the forgery was made, and to throughly debunk the FactCheck photos in Part Two.
Last night, I got a call from his legal assistant telling me that FactCheck had done this switch. I thought that she was talking about the thumbnails of the images, and not the downloadable ones.
Then, I saw it for myself -- and you should, too.
If I was on the wrong track, and my research was not valid and of no concern to them, then why else would they pull the switch?
Anyone else think they're running scared???
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2086586/posts
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FactCheck.org Clarifies Barack’s Citizenship -- by ACKNOWLEDGING Kenyan Dual Citizenship
From Obama's "Fight the Smears" - - It's up there with the his still bogus birth certificate.
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate
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Ko - your posts have become quite tiresome. You have resulted to questioning Obama's citizenship and posting irrelevant stories about him. You spend all your time hunting for any polls showing McCain in the lead and shove them down our throat.
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![[Post New]](/intradeForum/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) September 26, 2008 22:32:33 UTC
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Sizemore24 wrote: Ko - your posts have become quite tiresome. You have resulted to questioning Obama's citizenship and posting irrelevant stories about him. You spend all your time hunting for any polls showing McCain in the lead and shove them down our throat.
Thanks for bumping the thread.
A Few points before you go on your merry way.
First, if ya don't like my posts, don't read them. Simple enough. I'm sure that's exactly the same advice your friends are giving you right about now.
Second, your writing is typical of a liberal. You say, "You have resulted to questioning Obama's citizenship" when what you probably mean is "You have resorted to questioning Obama's citizenship". But since that's what you ACTUALLY wrote, we have to wade through the garbage generated by your lack of communication skills. Assuming what you wrote is what you intended, then you need to take a simple writing class and stop bothering this forum with your gibberish. Assuming that you meant what I corrected it to, you don't even get it. It's not a question of Obama's citizenship, it's a question of his eligibility based upon the rules of "Natural Born." He's a citizen. Whether or not he was naturalized is the question. If he was naturalized, he is ineligible to be president. But your tiresome nonsensical post doesn't bother to address that, it's just a typical liberal, straw argument that adds up to a big Zero.
Third, if you have a problem with my posting POLLS, then address that on the POLL thread. Is that just too friggin simple for you guys to understand?
Fourth, your post (if it means "resorted") suggests that I came up with this Birth Certificate Scandal after Obamessiah started faltering in the polls. But a quick look at the two start dates of the two threads shows that not to be the case.
Fifth, what does it mean to "shove a poll down your throat"? It means nothing, because this is a self-selecting group and your involvement is purely voluntary. If there were no such polls to post, such an accusation might have some merit. If there were pro-McCain polls that were being posted by Obama followers on this forum, that also might help you build your accusation into something worthwhile. But neither of those is the case, one because there are such polls and two because your friends failed to post Pro-McCain polls and left this opening for me. So feel free to post your pro-Obama stuff on the proper thread, I'll post the pro-McCain stuff and when the election is over & the analysis on results begins, we will all see who was sipping their own koolaid.
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Press Release regarding Berg vs. Obama
Obama & DNC Hide Behind Legal Issues While Betraying Public in not Producing a Certified Copy of Obama’s “Vault” Birth Certificate and Oath of Allegiance
http://www.obamacrimes.com/
Country is Headed to a Constitutional Crisis
(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 09/24/08 .) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States, announced today that Obama and Democratic National Committee [DNC] filed a Joint Motion to Dismiss on the last day to file a response, for the obvious purpose of delaying Court action in the case of Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.
Their joint motion indicates a concerted effort to avoid the truth by delaying the judicial process, although legal, by not resolving the issue presented: that is, whether Barack Obama was “natural born.”
It is obvious that Obama was born in Kenya and does not meet the “qualifications” to be President of the United States pursuant to our United States Constitution. Obama cannot produce a certified copy of his “Vault” [original long version] Birth Certificate from Hawaii because it does not exist.
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DEFENDANT’S, BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE’S MOTION
http://www.obamacrimes.com/attachments/024_Berg%20v.%20Obama,%20Berg%20Opposition%20to%20Def.%20Motions%20to%20Dismiss%20complete.pdf
Posted on Monday, September 29, 2008 7:47:58 PM by ncfool
Philip J. Berg filed a response this afternoon to the motion for dismissal filed last week in Berg vs. Obama by Senator Obama and the Democratic National Committee. The response "PLAINTIFF’S OPPOSITION AND BRIEF IN SUPPORT THEREOF TO DEFENDANT’S, BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE’S, MOTION TO DISMISS PLAINTIFF’S COMPLAINT PURSUANT TO RULE 12(b)(1) and 12(b)(6)" asserts that, the defendants' argument to the contrary, Mr. Berg has standing to pursue the case.
Mr. Berg provides precedents which he argues establish his standing and petitions the Court to deny dismissal and order the defendants to produce the documents in the previously requested discovery.
The conclusion of Mr. Berg's brief reads:
Plaintiff served discovery in way of Admissions and Request for Production of Documents, on Defendants on September 15, 2008 and has attempted to obtain verification of Obama’s eligibility through Subpoenas to the Government entities and the Hospital’s in Hawaii. To date, Plaintiff has not received the requested discovery from the Defendants and two (2) of the locations, which subpoenas were served upon, refused to honor the subpoena. For the above aforementioned reasons, Plaintiff respectfully request Defendants Barack Hussein Obama and the Democratic National Committee’s Motion to Dismiss pursuant to F.R.C.P. 12(b)(1) and 12(b)(6) be denied and order immediate discovery, including but not limited to: 1) a certified copy of Obama’s “vault” (original long version) Birth Certificate; and (2) a certified copy of Obama’s Certificate of Citizenship; and (3) a certified copy of the Oath of Allegiance taken by Obama taken at the age of majority. If the Court is inclined to grant Defendants motion, Plaintiff respectfully requests the opportunity to amend his Complaint pursuant to the findings of this Honorable Court. The complete filing is attached. Due to a problem with the Electronic Filing System, the filing was made via fax and will appear in PACER later this evening or on Tuesday.
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